Invest in knowledge, use it to rebuild


Invest in knowledge, use it to rebuild

Welcome to the high-level podcast series run by the UNESCO Inclusive Policy Lab. This series introduces listeners to the world’s leading figures as they discuss how we can rebuild in a fairer and a smarter way after COVID-19. 


Our guest in this episode is Professor Bambang Brodjonegoro, the Minister of Research and Technology of Indonesia. He has formerly served as both the country’s Minister of National Development Planning and the Minister of Finance.


The host is Gabriela Ramos, UNESCO’s Assistant Director General for Social and Human Sciences.


Together we connect the dots between post-COVID recovery, the place of knowledge in it, and the ways to make it inclusive. We go into: 

  • If/how this moment of disruption could be leveraged to reset in a smarter way and make a stride towards knowledge economies;
  • How equity is to be in-built into our new patterns of development to avoid driving inequality even further; and
  • Ways to invest in knowledge systems so that they stay agile and provide solutions to the current (and other looming) crises.


Have you seen?

  Data as markets – it is time to talk (re)distribution

  Treat data like you treat infants – signals and empathy are key

  Data equity – there is no hiding

  Partner on data to make it work for public good


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