Social safety nets catch us in crisis, invest in those


Welcome to the high-level podcast series run by the UNESCO Inclusive Policy Lab. This series introduces listeners to the world’s leading figures as they discuss how we can rebuild in a fairer and a smarter way after COVID-19. 


In this episode, we are joined by Nadia Calviño, who at the time of recording was still serving as Minister for the Economy and Digitization in the Spanish government. She is now President of the European Investment Bank.


The host is Gabriela Ramos, UNESCO’s Assistant Director-General for Social and Human Sciences.


Together they talk inequalities and how our exit from the current crises is through closing the most gaping divides. They say it's high time to rethink and to experiment with our policies. There is no static solution in this ever-changing landscape of risks. An iterative and data-driven approach is necessary, and Spain’s minimum subsistence income is discussed as such an example. Finally, we are warned that it is not only the physical world we should be paying close attention to. If unchecked, the fast-emerging economies of data and AI can give rise to new, digital haves and have-nots. We should strive for a humanistic digitalization and stay alert to all the distributive angles.


Have you seen?
The Policy Nerd Podcast Channel
Recalibrate - our policies were too heavy on efficiency, too light on equity
Minimum subsistence income, the Spanish way


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Nadia Calviño is the President of the European Investment Bank and former Vice-President and Minister for Economy and Digitalization of the Spanish Government. She has previously served as the European Commission’s Director General for Budget.


Gabriela Ramos is the Assistant Director General for the Social and Human Sciences of UNESCO. Prior to this, she was the Chief of Staff and Sherpa to the G20/G7/APEC in the OECD.


The facts, ideas and opinions expressed in this piece are those of the authors; they are not necessarily those of UNESCO or any of its partners and stakeholders and do not commit nor imply any responsibility thereof.


The designations employed and the presentation of material throughout this piece do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of UNESCO concerning the legal status of any country, territory, city or area or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers or boundaries. 



Music: Algorithms by Chad Crouch is under a Creative Commons license (CC BY-NC 4.0)