Recast your economic rulebook, deliver for people


Welcome to the high-level podcast series run by the UNESCO Inclusive Policy Lab. This series introduces listeners to the world’s leading figures as they discuss how we can reset in a fairer and a smarter way. 


This episode has Dani Rodrik as a guest. Rodrik is the Ford Foundation Professor of International Political Economy at the Harvard Kennedy School, President of the International Economic Association and Co-Director of Economics for Inclusive Prosperity.


The host is Gabriela Ramos, UNESCO’s Assistant Director-General for Social and Human Sciences.


Together they discuss how the old intellectual narratives and policy configurations have not aligned with the expectation that all boats would be lifted, leaving societies unsustainably fragmented and unequal. New solutions are needed to shore up the middle class and deliver on the promise of shared prosperity. The two say that the services sector is the answer as the rising source of good, green, human, local, gender-beneficial jobs in both advanced and developing economies. Finally, they flag that specific and granular policies need specific and granular knowledge. Yet much of the knowledge we’ve invested in caters to the needs of the richer countries and may skew the decisions in the rest. 


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Dani Rodrik is the Ford Foundation Professor of International Political Economy at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government. He is currently President of the International Economic Association, and co-director of Economics for Inclusive Prosperity. His newest books are Combating Inequality: Rethinking Government's Role (2021, edited with Olivier Blanchard) and Straight Talk on Trade: Ideas for a Sane World Economy (2017).


Gabriela Ramos is the Assistant Director General for the Social and Human Sciences of UNESCO. Prior to this, she was the Chief of Staff and Sherpa to the G20/G2/APEC in the OECD.


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